m83 | MapsOfMyths

Name_eng:

Who is older?

Description:

Somebody claims that he has been born before present world came into being. His opponent claims the same, and they argue who of them is the older

Name_rus:

Кто старше?

Description_rus:

Каждый из персонажей заявляет, что он старше и появился до того, как возник этот мир или (ингуши), что его отец имел космические размеры

Motif type:

Adventures and tricks

Motif group:

11 Tricks and competitions won thanks to deception, absurd and obscene behavior

Motif analysis result:

2. Only those motifs that are found in America (including the Aleuts, Eskimo and Northern Athabaskans)

4. All motifs of category 1 (cosmology) in sub-Saharan Africa and those motifs of category 2 (adventures) which are found in sub-Saharan Africa and widespread in the Indo-Pacific world with scarce or no cases in Europe, the Caucasus and Central Asia

Motif analysis result tradition count all:

ATU ID:

80A*

Areal ID	Tradition
1.2.4.7	Luba (Baluba, Luba-Katanga, Shaba), (Ba)Holoholo, Tumbwe, Bena-Piana, Tabwa, Benabena-Mitumba, Zela, Bene-Marungu
1.2.6.5	Aka, Baka (Badjue) and other Western (Bantu speaking) Pygmies
1.3.3.1	Bia: Anyi, Agni, Baule, Nsema
1.3.3.2	Akan, Ashanti, Akwapim; Ga (Accra), Kra, Twi (Chwi, Chi)
1.3.4.5	Dogon
1.3.5.10	Mende, Loma, Gbunde (Gbandi, Bandi)
10.2.3.4	Miao (Hmong) and Yao of Southern China
10.2.4.1	Koreans; Goguryeo
12.1.2.1	Tutchone
12.1.2.2	Tagish
12.1.2.3	Inland Tlingit
12.1.2.4	Tahltan
12.2.1.2	Tlingit
12.2.2.2	Kwakiutl (Kwakwaka'wakw)
12.2.2.3	Bella Coola (Nuxalk)
12.3.3.1	Okanagon, Sanpoil
12.3.4.1	Comox, Pentlatch
12.4.1.1	Winnebago
12.5.2.1	Huron (incl Wyandot)
12.5.2.2	Five Nations Iroquois (Seneca, Mohawk, Onondaga, Oneida, Cayuga)
12.6.6.3	Cahuilla, Cupeño
12.6.6.4	Luiseño, Juaneño
12.8.5.1	Pima
12.8.5.2	Papago
13.1.3.2	Hidatsa
13.1.3.3	Mandan
13.1.4.1	Teton (incl Oglala)
13.1.4.3	Santee
15.2.4.7	Wayapi, Emerillon
2.1.1.1	Malagasy
3.1.3.2	Kabylia and other Berber of Northern and Central Algeria: Beni Snous, Beni Menacer (incl Zuav), Shaui, etc.)
3.1.3.3	Berbers of Morocco and adjacent parts of Algeria
3.2.2.2	Geez, Tigrai, Tigre
3.3.1.2	Portuguese
3.3.4.1	Ireland
3.5.1.1	Greeks (modern)
3.5.1.2	Bulgarians
4.1.3.1	Russians: Central part of Russian ethnic territory as in A.D. 1500: Tver, Yaroslavl, Moscow, Kostroma, Vladimir, Ivanovo, Nizhny Novgorod, Ryazan, Tula, Kaluga, eastern part of Smolensk provinces (most of Smolensk province is Belorussian ethnic territory)
4.2.2.4	Ingrians
4.2.3.1	Finns
4.2.3.2	Karelians
4.2.5.1	Latvians
4.3.3.1	Kazan (Middle Volga) Tatars
5.1.1.1	Kalmyk
5.1.2.1	Crimea Tatars, Karaims
5.1.3.3	Cherkassians, Adyghe, Kabardin
5.1.4.1	Karachays, Balkar
5.1.5.3	Kumyk, Terekemen
5.1.6.1	Ingush
5.1.7.1	Avar, Andi, Karata, Akhvakh
5.1.7.3	Dargin (Dargwa), incl. Müregin, Khürkilin, Kubachi
5.1.7.4	Laks
5.1.7.5	Lezgians, Archin, Kürin; Khinalug
5.1.7.7	Tabasaran, Aghul
5.2.1.1	Georgians
5.2.2.1	Armenians
5.2.2.3	Anatolia Turks
5.3.2.1	Aramaic (Syrians)
5.3.2.1	Aramaic (Syrians)
5.3.2.3	Arabs of Iraq
5.3.2.5	Arabs (literary tradition; incl. One Thousand and One Nights)
5.4.1.1	Iranian literary tradition (including Avesta, Pahlevi scripts, Šah-nāmeh, Marzbān-nāmeh); Zoroastrians of Iran, Indian Parsees
5.4.2.1	Persians
5.4.2.10	Turkmen
5.4.2.6	Pashto
5.4.2.8	Uzbek
5.5.1.1	Kazakh
5.5.1.3	Kirghiz
5.6.1.1	Indian literary tradition (Vedic, Brahman, Purana, Indian Buddhism, Hinduism, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Panchtantra, Jatakas); iconography of Hindu temples
5.6.2.2	Himachali-Pahari (Western Pahari)
6.2.1.1	Central Tibetans (Yu Tsang, incl. Sikkim Tibetans, Tichurong of NW Nepal)
6.2.1.3	Eastern Tibetans (Kham; Sichuan, NW Yunnan)
6.2.3.6	Kuki, Chiru, Falam (Hallam), Chin (Meitei =Manipuri, Khami, =Kumi), Lakher, Mizo (Lushei), Anal, Pawi (Lai), Purum, Koireng, Milhiem, Kolhen, Mru
6.2.3.6	Kuki, Chiru, Falam (Hallam), Chin (Meitei =Manipuri, Khami, =Kumi), Lakher, Mizo (Lushei), Anal, Pawi (Lai), Purum, Koireng, Milhiem, Kolhen, Mru
6.3.1.3	Shan
6.3.1.9	Khamti, Ahom
6.3.2.10	Viet, Muong
6.4.3.6	Simeulue, Nias
6.4.5.3	Bali, Lombok
9.1.4.1	Buryats: Western (Cis-Baikal)
9.1.4.2	Buryats: Eastern (Trans-Baikal, Mongolia and Inner Mongolia)
9.1.5.3	Mongols (Khalkha)
9.1.5.7	Mongols of Inner Mongolia
9.2.3.1	Tundra Nenets
9.3.4.1	Evens (Lamuts)